The problem seems to be with the pub/static folders whereby the file permissions are 770 for directories and 660 for files, I followed mubdea idea of manually changing but seems to be temporary until you clean the cache.
if I change the file permissions to 755 & 644 all works fine until you clean the cache then the folders come back at the original permissions of 770 & 660.
Strange must be a way to permanently change the permissions.