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Sort by Position not working

Sort by Position not working

I'm using Magento 2.3.5-p2 and our category pages are not sorting the products by 'position'.  I've tried the solutions in the forum and it doesn't work for me (


I've tried using system cache, varnish cache, I've re-indexed manually, I've updated all my extensions, I've cleared the cache, I've deleted the var/cache folder.  Nothing helps. I've entered in new values, doesn't help.  


I have it configured right in Stores -> Configuration -> Catalog -> Catalog (Product Listing Sort by: is set to Position).  Even if I set it to something else, it doesn't work, it just sorts by how they are entered in (third screenshot).


Any ideas on how I can get it to sort?


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